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What asssholes.

I was going to write about my major writer's block (which is a shame because I was going to do a writing blitz and it fizzled!), or perhaps how modern American Conservatism and Superheros do not mix...but this pisses me off.

How sexist is that bullshit! It's slamming doors in the faces of women. Women who are already treated like shit way too much by the comics subculture. Not to mention these guys are making light of RAPE. That pisses me off as well; as high profile rape cases here in the States had the communities trying to heap the blame on the VICTIM.

These guys callously use rape and disregard the ramifications. Not to mention they just "mansplained" comics to women. As a man, and as a guy who wants to work in comics, these "Legends" disgust me! We got many more women writers coming in after women like Gail Simone broke down the barriers, and these "Our Gang"-esque aholes want to put the "No Girls Allowed" sign back up.

These assholes are giving fuel for the worst elements of our culture. Not to mention, these guys probably pay much more attention to their own brands than what is going on around them (when was the last time McFarland had a hit?).

On behalf of the men who love and respect women everywhere; I say "FUCK YOU" to Mark "Kickass" Millar and Todd "Spawn" McFarland!
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casmano Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014
I wish I knew what you are talking about I've worked on comics as an assistant which consisted of inking, drawing,and delivering pages to marvel.
Let me tell you go to marvel and try and give them your work, never going to happen marvel or dc or most top companies won't take walk in's you have to know someone or go to a comic con and show your work.
Thinking they don't accept women is somewhat true but if you suck then wither your a male or female won't matter most people pushing there stuff will not except that they need to work to get better just cause your family and friends say your great doesn't mean you are.
Sometimes women have to use male names if your work can be accepted without being present by sending your work or by email it's sad but the boys club is still around . but you can make your own book and don't need the big companies. I made a book just to prove this you just have to push yourself but like I said you better check to see if your as good as your told by people you know humble yourself and show it to professionals who will tell you if you need work. I stop myself by thinking and telling myself I need alot of work and thinking it's never perfect.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well I am also working on my own indie book idea too; but if you read the articles its comes off more than "women don't belong here". Read the articles linked in here
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drwho09 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013

Mark Millar has been rewriting the same story over and over for years and after reading what he said I undersatand why he's shit and has the imagination of a concussed lobotomised zombie that's just had it's brains blow out with an ATR. I've never read a Mcfarland comic and now never will but unless their remarks have been really taken out of context they are vile odious swines who appear to want to piss off any one with half a braincell and a mere smudgen of humanity.

This is why we need people like you and me doing what we do here on DA for the love it to break through into the comic buisness if only to show there are people who think the emotional aspect of storytelling is more important than constantly trying to shock for shockings sake.

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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
mhmm!
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GrumpyDragon Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013  Student General Artist
Urgh, it's people like that who make me not want to be in the comic book industry. I took Academy of Art summer classes this year, with the intention of breaking into sequential illustration... but the teacher, (a 28 year old, middle class white man- what a shocker, right) was sexist and he didn't even understand how so! When I attempted to explain it to him, he just couldn't understand what was so wrong. I wasn't told how to draw different female bodytypes! Just the 'sexy lady,' compared to at least 10 different ways to draw a man. Because obviously men are the most important part of comics, and females are just eye candy, so it's not like they come in any other size than a size 4 waist and DD cup. >:U
I can't handle it, I'm going into concept design and one-shot illustration. <:/
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:( Sorry to hear that.
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Faithie-Chan Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The rape thing aside (I don't think I even have the capacity to explain how sick that part made me), this makes me pretty sad...I've been reading comics since I was a little girl. But I'm proud to say I've never been treated poorly for it. 

When I was little, and walking around my home town and into comic shops as a kid (5 year old, plus) a lot of the boys there were super nice to me. They would buy me comics (ones for younger kids) and tell me about the (less inappropriate) parts of other superheroes, and I loved to listen. They tried to really talk up Wonder Woman to me, since she was one of the only popular/strong females at the time who wasn't completely sexualized. As I got older, they'd give me comics to read since I was a broke kid. I was never made to feel weird, they were all amazingly nice or just didn't say anything. I grew up watching the Spiderman and X-men cartoons and they were such a huge part of me when I was growing up.

I collected Fantastic Four, Spiderman, and a whole slew of other comics growing up. I'm still collecting Spiderman, and now Deadpool, whenever I have extra money. It makes me sad that there are men who think girls just aren't into comic, and that comics are somehow not meant for them. 

I've always looked up to superheroes, male or female. They stand up for what's right, they make tough decisions. They lose their tempers and make mistakes, but that's when friends are there for you. To think that becuase you're a woman you can't appreciate those struggles....I just don't understand.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yep. It's really stupid of them to say that.
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Smly Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
This is really surprising of Todd, but I've never thought Millar was a very good guy and it kind of shows in the ideals he puts into his work. 
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
mhmm
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CookieMumBJD Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer

Wow, as a woman and a fan of Mark Millar's work (always hated McFarlane, he's a mega-douche) I am saddened and ashamed of him. I'm ashamed I've spent money on his work no matter how good it is. I guess both of these a-holes are so self involved they've never picked up an X-Men comic to see an example of diversity or gender equality. Then again Marvel has always seemed much more balanced than other companies, it's my own opinion of course.

 

I'm honestly just really angry about this and disappointed in them and anyone that harolds them and people like them.

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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Mhmm

I'm angry too.
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kidlux Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
wow
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:D
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Sagakarikikkaru Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist


"On behalf of the men who love and respect women everywhere; I say "FUCK YOU" to Mark "Kickass" Millar and Todd "Spawn" McFarland!"

 

Damn straight!

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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:D
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panther372040 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
I know that Millar has been an a@@hat but I've liked his work, this however hurts. I say is as a woman, a woman would reads comics (and would rather read Punisher than Super Girl) and as a mother of a son. I'd rather know that men and women can be friends and be in the big leagues together. 
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yep!
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RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
I find that surprising from miller (considering Hit-girl) McFarland is just an @$$hole. He always has been.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
mhmm, so I've heard
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Venegal Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
McFarlane...it wasn't enough that he can't get his precious Spawn a better movie or series, he has to further ridiculize his reputation with stains of stupidity. This is the last person who should be saying this kind of crap.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well I've been hearing he's a royal douche
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Turtlemandan Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013

It's really scary that people don't even acknowledge when they are being sexist :(. Honestly, I can't believe in 2013 there are still people with such backward viewpoints. It's especially frustrating because I enjoyed the movie Kickass so to hear that one of the creators of it is a sexist asshole really pisses me off. Anyways, it's always good to find someone else who agrees that this is unfair.

 

Do you read the Escher girls blog? ----->eschergirls.tumblr.com/ because it deals with these kinds of issues as does ami's personal blog ----->ami-angelwings.tumblr.com/ if you aren't reading them I highly recommend you do because they make some awesome points on there and can be quite humorous as well :).

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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
mhmm

I actually don't; guess I'll have to now
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Turtlemandan Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013
Guess u will =p
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:D
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CrustCringle Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
I know it's just a journal entry on deviantART, but it's always nice to see someone who is willing to denounce this sort of stuff on a public platform.  It's getting harder and harder to believe these people can still reasonably cling to these ideas as sales figures prove them wrong.  There's a million things wrong with the comics industry, least of all these sexist attitudes, and when you consider everything, they really do seem like old dudes screaming from their porches at nobody in particular.  It makes it easier to let this roll off your back even if you belong to the group being diminished.
Thank you for your post and your Superboy piece, they are both very thoughtful. :)
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Thanks :D
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justjingles Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
:heart:
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:D
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:icondkalban:
Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
yep
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athenagodofwisdom Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013   General Artist
This part of our world sucks but check out this lady who anilizes women's posisions in video games
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
yep
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LycoRogue Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
:thumbsup:

That is all. 

(Okay, and also this: :heart: )
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:D Heart
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DevilKnight292 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
As a man who does much research on the nineteenth century, I see disturbing parallels between the viewpoints of Millar and McFarland and the viewpoint of the thrice-damned Confederate States of America. The very notion of comics being a male-only industry is fallacious, but how far of a jump is it from "no girls allowed" to "no blacks allowed", or from there to "no Jews allowed"?

When a super hero is by definition a person of ANY background who has chosen to use extraordinary gifts and take extraordinary responsibility for the benefit of the common man, when so many of them (Captain America comes to mind.) were created to oppose this kind of tyranny, this behavior makes the bile rise in the back of my throat even as my fingers itch.

For the short time I remain on the soapbox, let me say that in my opinion, comic book heroes should reflect the ideals that we aspire to live by, from the caped boy scout who always manages to inspire hope and save the day and convince us that yes, there are still great and wonderful things in this world, to the struggling anti-hero who does the best they can to do good in spite of their flaws, and finds that yes, their standing up for what they believe in has made the world a better place. Adventure by its very nature accepts any who answer its call.

Let me ask how this can even happen, if all that's left of the characters are a bunch of testosterone-poisoned chunks of meat surrounded by cardboard cutouts of racily clad women?

The opinions of Millar and McFarland feel like a slap in the face, like a great betrayal of all that comic books and their heroes mean to me.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
To be frank, I think the GOP is bringing us faster and faster to a fascist state; and the already rampant sexism, racism, Antisemetism etc in this country is bad enough as it is!

Agreed completely! I recentaly came to the conclusion that no superhero would be as nuts as the GOP (with the possible exception of the Punisher for obvious reasons). Superman was always a social crusader from the start, and comics have dealt with powerful issues.

Agreed.

Then it would be all Liefeld all the time; and no one wants that.

Yep!
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GoldenJoe Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
Not sure how I ended up here, but it's as simple as this: make a comic for women that outsells their comics - if you can.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Hmmm...would be an interesting challenge
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GoldenJoe Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
It is the only way to know if you are right...and to grow stronger.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
mhmm
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Alexis-AnimeLover18 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
Good sir, I very much agree with your perspective.  I am a fan of comics as well. I just wish there were something more than big breasts and beauty. Women can be just as strong as men physically and mentally. We don't need superpowers to become heroes. Women are not just damsels in distress. I hate that movies and the media portray women like that. There should be more heroines! ^-^ All one of a kind, different from each of us, that makes them unique and the rarest  of them all.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yep!
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gladrial Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Oh!  Me!  ME!  Choose me, teacher!  *hands waving frantically in the air*

I'm a woman that's been religiously reading comics....well, I'd rather not say how long because it'd age me.  Yeah.  That long.  Anyway, I started with X-Men because, hold on to your hats, people cared enough to give X-Men a wide range of developed, interesting female characters.  AND they even have their very own title right now.  Neato-finito!  So not only is it possible to write females in comics, it actually attracts female readers widening your viewership so you can back all those lovely dollars.

Later I became Bat-obsessed.  Like majorly Bat-obsessed.  Still am.  It's a disease, I tell you.  What led me into the Batman fandom, you ask?  Why, another female!  Who could have guessed it?  I followed Harley Quinn away from Marvel into the world of DC.  (X-Men was sucking at the time.  It wasn't my fault.)  As all Bat fangirls should know, I was aware that both Batman and Nightwing had been raped, but...y'know, it didn't seem to bother them much.  lol  I'm not sure being raped actually counts as raped unless you feel violated.  Nightwing shook it off as he does so many one-night stands, as is his way.  And Batman seemed to be oblivious to it until he found out he had a kid.  SURPRISE!  Maybe he did feel violated then but couldn't brood and look hurt at the same time.  We'll never know.  The point is none of the incidents were portrayed as an act of violence.  (The Green Arrow one was new for me though.)  

That said, I guess the most major event involving the act that I can think of in comics was that of Mrs. Dibny.  It didn't bother me that it was chosen as part of the plot because it delivered well, if that makes sense.  Why?  1) It wasn't a bunch of men coming to save the day, there were many women as well.  Zantana playing a pivotal role in the aftermath.  2)  It was not used as plot device used to fuel a male counterpart.  Rather than this become some addition to the crusade of her husband, they healed and moved on together as anyone else in that situation would have to do.  Like the author of this article, I'm not saying to pretend the subject doesn't exist, just don't be stupid about it.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Agreed!

And that's an interesting take on the events told in Identity Crisis.

The Nightwing rape disturbs me more for the fact that Devin Grayson for years refused to call it what it was.
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JadeGames Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Round of applause! I wish we had more guys like you that realize how provocatively and disrespectfully women and girls are displayed in comics. Thank you!  
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
No problem!
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ARTheARTdog Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I couldn't agree more! There is nothing I hate more than when I see and hear about things like this, but the thought of it tainted something as influential as the comic industry? Disgusting.

It's good to see that there are people still out there who are willing to speak out and fight against such stupidity.
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Dkalban Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yep! The fan culture needs to change, and apparantly so do some of the writers.

Yep :D
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